Codrive rules?

[1/2mv^2]

Could somebody explain the codrive rules?

From what I understand, you can enter twice, but what are the rest of the rules? Does it have to be the same class? Different class?

How would we go about doing this with the on-line registration?

I thought I saw something saying no codrives at Valleyfair, is this true?

Thanks!

Ed.

[miata#37]

It might be good to include some definitions too. Like-

co-drive: two people driving the same car but entering once each

double entry: one person entering twice

:cone:

[weidnerpaul]

ED,
I know this(cause I usually drive 2 cars) not sure on the other ???
Eligibility of Drivers:
Rule 2.3 A driver may enter an event more than once, but only once per class
Paul

[MNbiker]

It's pretty straightforward. There are a few basics:

-Any driver can register for an event twice, but not in the same car OR same class. From a registration standpoint, this would simply be viewed as two unique registrations.

-A car may be driven by up to three drivers. The car must be entered in a single class, with the exception that one or more of the drivers could choose to run in SI or X.

-Each car/driver combination must use a unique car number. For example, two drivers who wish to share their cars with each other would need a total of 4 unique Met Council car numbers. It's the responsibility of each driver to ensure the proper number is on the vehicle they are driving, prior to approaching the start line.


-Steve "the rules guy"

p.s. As far as I'm aware, there have been no restrictions placed on co-drives for the Valleyfair event. However, the above rules apply, and anyone registering with two cars will pay two regular registration fees.

[1/2mv^2]

Cool, thanks!

It doesn't seem to be possible to dual register with the online tool.

[MNbiker]

Originally posted by 1/2mv^2

Cool, thanks!

It doesn't seem to be possible to dual register with the online tool.


There is a way - just create a second User ID.;)

[haro]

Hey, Steve "the rules guy",

Question.....Can a driver run in their regular class and in 'Exhibition' with the same car? The rules confuse my feeble brain. I looked at rules 2.3,3.2, & 9.3.4 and did not see any specific language. (I may be blinded by my desire for more seat time.)

This would be a great way to do a 'test & tune' in a person's own car as well as generate more entry fees to the club without fiddling with points or trophies.

I know some clubs allow drivers to sign up for multiple heats. The extra entry fee and increase in tire budget is worth it to some people.

Harry

[weidnerpaul]

Not sure where it is in the rules, but the answer is NO as otherwise you could use the practice exibition time in the car/on the course and apply it during your runs that count for better times, I know a person driving two cars may seem to fit this too, but generally speaking the two cars they drive will have different capabilities(they have to be in different classes) so it doesn't apply the same.
Paul

[MNbiker]

Originally posted by haro
Hey, Steve "the rules guy",

Question.....Can a driver run in their regular class and in 'Exhibition' with the same car? The rules confuse my feeble brain. I looked at rules 2.3,3.2, & 9.3.4 and did not see any specific language. (I may be blinded by my desire for more seat time.)


Based on my interpretation of the rules, this would not be legal. The rule for X specifically states "different drivers". I didn't write this portion of the rules, but I'm pretty certain the intent was that drivers should not get extra runs in the same car.

9.3.4 A vehicle may be entered in both X and its regular class by different drivers, regardless of rule 3.2. The three permissible drivers may be split between X and the car's regular class in any combination.

-Steve

p.s. For a Test & Tune, we can simply bump the entry fee a bit and limit the entries, to ensure drivers get LOTS of seat time.

[washburn]

If I had it my way, the only way I would allow a multiple entry is if they can ONLY enter SI. Additionally, the runs taken first would be your declared class for competition points. The second entry runs would be for fun and not scored. Sorry guys, but the name of the game is to do your best in a fixed and equal number of runs, not to get an advantage by buying extra runs.

FWIW, my opinion on the Valleyfair is that I would prefer to not see multiple entries. Any time you have an entry cap, it is not wise to allow this. I would hate to see someone sitting the event out while someone else is driving twice. I can't cite a rule that will prevent you from doing this, but I would like to request that we all refrain.

IF the entry cap is not met after on site registration is done, I will take additional entries with a smile. (Hell, I'll be first in line!)

Pat

[haro]

Thanks for your reply, Steve. It was worth a shot;)!

I, for one, am not looking for a 'competitive advantage' only seat time. Pat has a good idea, run X class after all your competition runs. This provides zero 'competitive advantage', more money for the club, and further justifies my 300 mile round trip.

A crack at a course is a crack at course. I don't care if you drive an A-mod and then an H-stocker, you just achieved a 'competitive advantage' by getting extra time on course, at speed. Looking at it from a purist's standpoint, ALL drivers should not get more competition runs than any one else at a single event. Any runs beyond the standard number for an event should be "unofficial". However, at the local level, I think going for all the seat time you can stand is paramount.

Is a test & tune a possibility? I bet we could get a group together to rent a site for a day and just drive.

I just want to improve. Practice is the only way.

Harry

P.S. Can I enter X class twice?:D :D

[phile]

Originally posted by washburn


If I had it my way, the only way I would allow a multiple entry is if they can ONLY enter SI. Additionally, the runs taken first would be your declared class for competition points. The second entry runs would be for fun and not scored. Sorry guys, but the name of the game is to do your best in a fixed and equal number of runs, not to get an advantage by buying extra runs.

FWIW, my opinion on the Valleyfair is that I would prefer to not see multiple entries. Any time you have an entry cap, it is not wise to allow this. I would hate to see someone sitting the event out while someone else is driving twice. I can't cite a rule that will prevent you from doing this, but I would like to request that we all refrain.

IF the entry cap is not met after on site registration is done, I will take additional entries with a smile. (Hell, I'll be first in line!)

Pat


In many cases, you get to have your way:

"1.1 These rules shall be applicable at all autocrosses except for
changes made by an Eventmaster. The Eventmaster may not change items
labeled "No exceptions". Entrants shall be informed of these changes prior
to registration, and they should be reviewed at the drivers meeting."

The rule
"2.3 A driver may enter an event more than once, but only once per class."
is NOT in a section marked "no exceptions", so the EM can change it before registration opens. I'd suggest that this decision be well-publicized long before the event.

In any case, you can't flip-flop. The policy has to be in place and fixed before registration opens.

[C4Autocrosser]

The cat is out of the bag now - :p