Somewhat confused by classes.

[kdupre]

accodring to this link (http://www.moutons.org/sccasolo/Lists/2003/stprepc.html#CSP) my car falls under the C Street Prepared class. is that the class that I would then have to compete in or would I be eligible to compete other classes based on car and modifications?

Taking another look at the documentation, Street prepared C seems to be the class that I would be best suited for...


Kevin

[1/2mv^2]

Well, that's only if you have modified your car, and only if you have modified the car within the rules of C Street Prepared.

If you have not modified the car, you would be in a stock class - which one depends on your car.

You can choose to compete in a more "modified" class, if you want.

For a definitive answer, tell us:

What car you have (year, make, model - from your pic, it looks like a crx), and
all modifications you have made to the car if any.

[73GT]

Kevin

Check out
http://www.scca-milwaukee.org/Solo/carmodandclassification.pdf

It has one typo that it says you can put larger front brakes on in SP but you can't
As part of the registration this year this form will be handed out and will be linked from the MAC web page. After you do the worksheet then go back to Mouton's page.

73GT

[kdupre]

Yes I did download and print that PDF document before I posted, I can fit within the STS legal category on the sheet.

car is a 00 acura integra type R.
205/50/r15 tires replaced stock(195/55/r15) still using the 15x7" rim.
Rear Strut tower bar (front one comes stock).
Modified Intake+filter.
Modified exhaust(still using factory cat).
Piggyback for Fuel control + modify vtec point.
Higher rate springs + non stock dampers(non adjustable) (lowered 1.7" f&r).
The clutch is aftermarket but I have not seen any mention of clutches in the documentation.

The car from the factory includes LSD.

Kevin

[MNbiker]

Kevin,

Your car is a perfect fit for STX, with one exception: the aftermarket clutch actually bumps you into CSP. If you ever want to run at National events, it would be a good idea to swap out the clutch for a stock unit. However, I'd have no objection to your running in STX at MAC events.

-Steve
Met Council Rules Chair
STX #75
'02 WRX Grocery Getter

[73GT]

Kevin
Your first question was very vague without giving us the info on your car. We can't read minds! It's in CSP with the clutch.

Steve I think your just lonely in STX :D


73GT

[psundberg]

Please, come play in CSP. Currently it's one lonely Honda vs. 2 Miata's so the more the merrier.

Phil

[MNbiker]

Originally posted by 73GT

Steve I think your just lonely in STX :D

Guilty as charged!:p
I'm sure there will be plenty of folks in STX by the end of the year, but I'm lonely right now.:(

[kdupre]

Originally posted by 73GT


Kevin
Your first question was very vague without giving us the info on your car. We can't read minds! It's in CSP with the clutch.

Steve I think your just lonely in STX :D


73GT

Sorry again about the first post, a little information on the first post would have helped us all out :)

Guys forgive me again for asking yet another question, as stated I could run in the STX class when allowed by MAC or I could run in the CSP class.

Last night I printed all the rules that were located on this site and will review them this weekend, but I still have a few questions on what the class abbrevations actually stand for.

I assume STX = Street Touring Class?
But I have no idea what CSP stands for. class C street prepared?

TIA, Kevin

[MNbiker]

CSP = C Street Prepared
STX = Street Touring Xtreme

-Steve

[phile]

Originally posted by MNbiker


Kevin,

Your car is a perfect fit for STX, with one exception: the aftermarket clutch actually bumps you into CSP. If you ever want to run at National events, it would be a good idea to swap out the clutch for a stock unit. However, I'd have no objection to your running in STX at MAC events.

-Steve
Met Council Rules Chair
STX #75
'02 WRX Grocery Getter

Just a bit of clarification here. When Steve says that he would have no objection, he is not speaking as the Rules Chair.

He is speaking as a competitor. As a competitor, it is his right to protest your car. Or not to. Steve is now telling you that he would not lodge a protest against you for your clutch.

Steve is warning you that at bigger SCCA events, folks are more likely to protest. This does not mean that you won't be protested at a MAC event, but it is less likely. If you are protested, the protest will prevail and you will get no trophy or points for that event. There is no prejudice attached, however. You can enter another class next time out.

My advice to you (speaking as an uninterested bystander) is that you may want to run SI until you can win it, then get banned for life from the class. It is very likely that your limiting factor is inexperience, not equipment. Folks who "get" autocross right away are extremely rare, even among folks with extensive other motorsports experience. In my long time in the game, I've only met a few such individuals.

The only downside to the SI plan is if you really want a year-end trophy, as year-end points do not accrue in SI.


Just a snide comment about STX: How "extreme" is Street Touring Xtreme that it does not let you mess with a clutch? :-)

[MNbiker]

Originally posted by phile
Just a snide comment about STX: How "extreme" is Street Touring Xtreme that it does not let you mess with a clutch? :-)


Phil, I didn't come up with the goofy class name....:p
And I agree with you that clutch swaps should be allowed - I'll probably need a new one halfway through the ProSolo season this year!:(


Kevin,
Phil is correct, my invitation to run in STX is based on my standing as a competitor and the primary promoter of the STX class within MAC. I agree with Phil that it would be a good idea to start in SI & win yourself a trophy, before moving into one of the other classes.

-Steve

[StevenMosley]

Originally posted by MNbiker

Kevin,
Phil is correct, my invitation to run in STX is based on my standing as a competitor and the primary promoter of the STX class within MAC. I agree with Phil that it would be a good idea to start in SI & win yourself a trophy, before moving into one of the other classes.

-Steve


I saw this on SCCA Forums. It has a lot of good pricipals and could easily be modified from SM/SM2 to any class.
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Accordingly, it is the SM/SM2 tradition to, if you see a competitor with a modification that you think is illegal under the current text of the rules, but falls within the boundries of the stated intent of what SM is supposed to be, that you cut him some slack - let him know of your differing opinion, and then (possibly jointly) write the SMAC and give us a chance to weigh in BEFORE any protest paperwork gets filed.

If you see a competitor with a modification that is clearly illegal, but which you feel is providing no performance benefit, and ESPECIALLY if the car in question sees use other than SCCA competition, it is the SM tradition to cut that competitor some slack and let them be. You may wish to draw the competitor's attention to the fact that the car is illegal, and why (they may wish to change it) but it is tradition to not get bent out of joint over illegal, uncompetitive cars.

If you see a competitor who has something illegal and which you feel is providing substansive performance benefit, you do have the morally legitimate right to protest, but it is tradition to (when circumstances allow) approach the competitor first and give him an event to fix the problem on his own. If, however, you feel that circumstances are such that you cannot give a grace period, it is SM tradition to seek concencous amongst the other competitors and see if they agree that no grace period can be offered BEFORE filing paperwork.

And finally, in the case of a competitor who has violated one of the few forbidden items in the SM rules, no grace period is necessary. Feel free to nail his ass to the wall. An example would be an over-displacement car or an under-weight car or a Mustang with a small block Chevy motor etc.

To date, SM has been remarkably free of Pit Lane Lawyers, and we really, really like it that way. If you come to play with us (and you are certainly welcome to!) please keep that in mind. If part of the fun of competing for you is getting the opportunity to play Matlock, Other Classes Beckon.

DG