Volunteer Signup - SCCA Valleyfair & MOWOG 8

[MNbiker]

The season finale weekend is fast approaching, and we need to get volunteers confirmed for event setup and operations positions. Please help us get all positions filled ASAP.

If your name is already listed, please confirm you will be at the event and able to work.

Thanks!

Steve Garnjobst, Event Master - SCCA Valleyfair Solo
Nikki Feuk, Event Master - MOWOG 8

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Friday Setup (approx. 3:00 PM - 7:00 PM)
Course Design--Pat Washburn
Course Review/Setup--Steve Garnjobst
Course Setup--Steven Mosley
Course Setup--Randy Williams
Course Setup--Alex Lowe
Course Setup--Christian Banks
Course Setup--Thai Nguyen
Course Setup--

Grid/Staging Chief--Darryl Wrolson
Grid Setup--
Grid Setup--

Trailer transport to site--Steve Garnjobst


Saturday, 10/01
Event Master--Steve Garnjobst
Chief of Course--Pat Washburn
Chief of Grid & Start Marshall--Darryl Wrolson
Chief Tech Inspector--Randy Williams
Safety Steward--John Parizek
Assistant Safety Steward--Neal Tovsen
Chief of Registration--Dave Kral
Chief of Timing--Josh Berman
Driver Education--David Parsons
Awards/Trophies--John Parizek

General Setup--Steven Mosley
General Setup--David Hildebrandt
Timing/PA Setup--Shane Donahue

Registration--Steve Meschke
Registration--Izaak Jordan
Registration--Chuck Bower
Registration--
Registration(numbers)--Phil Ethier
Worker signup table--Justin Schroepfer
Worker signup table--Kyle Schroepfer
Waiver/gate (7:00 AM - 8:30 AM)--Ken Kunisaki
Waiver/gate (8:30 AM - 10:00 AM)--

Tech Inspector--John Mensch
Tech Inspector--Jonathan Grothe
Tech Inspector--Chris Mosley
Tech Inspector--Ryan Bowers
Tech Inspector--Christian Banks
Tech Inspector--

Novice Course walk--Dave Parsons



Sunday, 10/02

Event Master--Nikki Feuk
Chief of Course--Steve Garnjobst
Chief of Grid & Start Marshall--Darryl Wrolson
Chief Tech Inspector--Jerry Schroeder
Chief of Safety--Steve Meschke
Chief of Registration--Dave Kral
Chief of Timing--Josh Berman
Driver Education--David Parsons
Awards/Trophies--Matt Dahlman

General Setup--David Hildebrandt
Timing/PA Setup--Shane Donahue

Registration--Steve Buetow
Registration--Izaak Jordan
Registration--Chuck Bower
Registration--Kelli Simpson
Registration(numbers)--Phil Ethier
Worker signup table--Justin Schroepfer
Worker signup table--Kyle Schroepfer
Waiver/gate (7:00 AM - 8:30 AM)--Ken Kunisaki
Waiver/gate (8:30 AM - 10:00 AM)--

Tech Inspector--John Mensch
Tech Inspector--Randy Williams
Tech Inspector--Ryan Bowers
Tech Inspector--Mike Brausen

Novice Course walk--Dave Parsons

Pack trailer after event--
Pack trailer after event--
Trailer transport after event--

[the tick]

Steve,

Sign me up for Tech both days. Is the schedule any different at VF (i.e. when does tech open)?

John Mensch

[rdub]

I'll do course setup Friday
and Tech on Sat and Sun

[AlexL]

I'll do course setup, but I won't get out of work until 3:30.

[StevenMosley]

I'll do course setup on Friday and General Setup on Saturday.

Chris will do Tech inspection on Saturday.

[914 Dave]

Steve- I'm good for the novice walk on both days. I'd like to hang with the saftey steward/chief of safety as they test the course and make revisions. I found at St Cloud a ride or 2 with Steve M. as he gave his final "approval" made me aware of different finer points of the course and made for a better novice walk. I will try to be there friday for course set up, but maybe just count me as a maybe, I don't know if I'll be there at 3pm or 5pm or ?. I can help with early general set up on sat and sun, as I plan to be staying in the area.

As far as instruction goes, we can provide the usual MAC assistance to new and other drivers who want it on sunday, but what should our involvement be with the SCCA event? Don't want to step on any toes, but I expect our core instructor group would be willing to pitch in if needed/invited to. Let me know so I can let them know.

[gohard123]

I can do tech both sat and sun

ryan bowers
DS # 199

[phile]

>Registration--

Phil Ethier should be able to do car-number verification and Met Council numbers reservation both days.

When does Registration open?
(I hate getting up even earlier to play than I get up to go to work...)

Remember that for a new reservation for a Met Council permanent number, your first buck pays for this weekend and all of 2006. See the Permanent Number Update in this forum under General Discussion for instructions and a current numbers list.

As an aside to these two numbers functions, I can also take orders for magnetic numbers for your car. You might want to order now, as prices may be going up for 2006. Explanation along with a picture of the number style is at http://forum.mnautox.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2099 in the sticky thread Make Your Own Numbers under Car Classes and rules in this forum.

If you want to pay someone to make numbers in a different style than mine, see Matt Dahlman.

[Dave H.]

I can do general setup on Saturday and Sunday.

David Hildebrandt

[phile]

As far as instruction goes, we can provide the usual MAC assistance to new and other drivers who want it on sunday, but what should our involvement be with the SCCA event? Don't want to step on any toes, but I expect our core instructor group would be willing to pitch in if needed/invited to. Let me know so I can let them know.

I can instruct Saturday if LOL is OK with that.

I can instruct Sunday for MAC.

Going back to a Stock car should help renew my understanding of novices. My test runs at Midway on Saturday were probably fun to watch. :rolleyes:

[sbuetow]

I will help with registration on Sunday for the MAC event.
Steve Buetow

[914 Dave]

Are you saying the Lotus was not stock? Is there such a thing as a stock lotus?

[MNbiker]

As far as instruction goes, we can provide the usual MAC assistance to new and other drivers who want it on sunday, but what should our involvement be with the SCCA event? Don't want to step on any toes, but I expect our core instructor group would be willing to pitch in if needed/invited to. Let me know so I can let them know.

If you step on toes, they'll be mine, as I'm the EM for the event. ;)

Instructor will be a regular worker assignment, as it now is for all MAC events. I expect we'll fill these spots primarily with the core group of MAC instructors.

-Steve

[MNbiker]

Given that Saturday is an LOL SCCA event, I really should fill the event official (primarily the ones with Chief in the title) positions with SCCA members. Is anyone currently designated as an event official for Saturday NOT an SCCA member? If this is the case, let me know what volunteer role you want for Saturday, and I'll slot someone appropriate who IS an SCCA member in your vacated spot.

The rest of the volunteers can be members or non-members - any and all helpers are welcome!:)

-Steve

[phile]

>Are you saying the Lotus was not stock?

Oh, my, yes. It was not fully-prepared for its class (a gem of understatement), but there were plenty of Weber, Warneford, Eibach, Koni, Schwinn, Ethier, and unknown-origin parts in there. Not to mention all the parts that were missing on purpose.

>Is there such a thing as a stock lotus?

Yes, there is. Of course, even Colin Chapman's ghost probably couldn't tell on some models. The federal government pays a lot of attention these days, so it is probably possible to define a 2005 Elise as stock or not. :)

[washburn]

Dave,

I think I would like to do our best to not do any pre-running of the course. With the space we have available, and the inherent potential unfairness of it, we should be able to just set it up and be OK with it. If we have to run one corner or something, we will do only the minimum necessary. (I'm glad we did this this spring as there was an huge bump that wasn't readily evident)

[jgrothe]

I can help tech on Saturday (I will not be at the Sunday Event)

I think I can help course set up Friday (I will check this afternoon)

Jonathan Grothe

[Chin]

I can help with course setup on Fri (well, until ~6 anyway) and Tech on Saturday....

Christian Banks
#202 DSP
'00 Impreza 2.5RS

[magicsammy]

I ca do registration on Saturday


that's MESCHKE

[shane86]

Put me down for timing set-up both days.
Shane Donahue

[esper]

I can do registration on Sat and Sun

-Izaak Jordan

[Shrep]

Steve, you can put Kyle and Justin Schroepfer wherever needed for Sat and Sun.

[MNbiker]

Steve, you can put Kyle and Justin Schroepfer wherever needed for Sat and Sun.

OK, I signed you two up to handle the worker signup table both days. I'll meet with you befor eregistration opens on Saturday, to make sure you have some guidelines for helping people select where to work and know how we're handling multiple entries (assuming a few make it into the event).

-Steve

[chuck b]

howdy

registration- can do, both days

out

[racerx321]

I'll do the 7am (ouch!) to 8:30am gate/waiver table, both days.

[wannabfast]

is the course gonna be the same on saturday and sunday?

i can probablly do the friday course setup
as for working on sunday, ill probablly do the cone catcher.. or possibly work registration

[SmokingTires]

Put me down for Tech on Sunday. And I will be glad to take the course check run. 8/10 I promise :D


What time does tech need to be ready? (forgive me, I didn't read the rest of the thread so I don't know if it was already posted).

I need to plan time to swap tires and get a walk or two

-Mike

[MNbiker]

is the course gonna be the same on saturday and sunday?

i can probablly do the friday course setup
as for working on sunday, ill probablly do the cone catcher.. or possibly work registration

I'll need more definite commitments than a couple maybes. ;)

If you're not sure about volunteering for one of these jobs, just sign up for something (course, grid, etc.) when you register.

Thanks!

-Steve

[Shrep]

OK, I signed you two up to handle the worker signup table both days. I'll meet with you befor eregistration opens on Saturday, to make sure you have some guidelines for helping people select where to work and know how we're handling multiple entries (assuming a few make it into the event).

-Steve
Sounds good Steve!

[wannabfast]

I'll need more definite commitments than a couple maybes. ;)

If you're not sure about volunteering for one of these jobs, just sign up for something (course, grid, etc.) when you register.

Thanks!

-Steve
ok i WILL be there on friday, if the course is gonna be similar on sunday, ill work tech

[washburn]

I should be able to handle the changeover in courses from Sat to Sun. It will be the same course, with small changes to the finish line, but run in reverse direction.

[Kellogg]

If you could put me down for tech on sunday, that would be sweet.....Thanks!!! -Kelli Simpson-

[phile]

I should be able to handle the changeover in courses from Sat to Sun. It will be the same course, with small changes to the finish line, but run in reverse direction.
Which means that it is virtually the same course for setup and a completely different course for driving.

Since Pat is no fool, and he apparently is designing both courses, he will have paid attention to the differing runoff areas for the two courses.

I just want to remind people that you can't always take a good, safe course and run it reverse and expect it to be good and safe. There have been instances of people making this mistake in the past, and it wrecked cars.

If anyone had taken the course I designed for the 2002 VTR national convention and run it backwards, it would have been a disaster. Pat has plenty of room at ValleyFair to design a good reversible course.

Now, don't get me lost, Pat! I'm in a higher and slower car now, but I'm still old. ;)

[Dave Kral]

Steve,

You list Nikki as Chief of Registration on Saturday and me on Sunday. Did you mean to do it the other way around? Either was is fine for me, I just didn't think Nikki was in SCCA. I'll be able to work at both events.

Dave

[MNbiker]

Steve,

You list Nikki as Chief of Registration on Saturday and me on Sunday. Did you mean to do it the other way around? Either was is fine for me, I just didn't think Nikki was in SCCA. I'll be able to work at both events.

Dave

Dave,

Nikki is EM on Sunday, so she can't be Chief of Registration as well. I just found out Nikki & Matt won't be at the Saturday event, so I'll make you the head registration dude for Saturday as well.

-Steve

[MNbiker]

ok i WILL be there on friday....
That's the spirit!:)

.....if the course is gonna be similar on sunday, ill work tech
The cones will mostly be in the same places on day 2, but will drive TOTALLY different, as we will be running in the opposite direction. Spend your time walking the course.

-Steve

[MNbiker]

I just want to remind people that you can't always take a good, safe course and run it reverse and expect it to be good and safe. There have been instances of people making this mistake in the past, and it wrecked cars.
I think we have it covered. ;)
There will be a few cones moved from Day 1 to Day 2, but not many.

Now, don't get me lost, Pat! I'm in a higher and slower car now, but I'm still old.
There shouldn't be too much danger of getting lost. However, there DEFINITELY will be plenty of opportunities to take the wrong line & chew up valuable seconds. :evil:

[washburn]

Also, those who attended Nationals this year will have a slight advantage on Saturday as some parts of the course might look familiar. ;) Sunday, all bets are off!

[SmokingTires]

Are there any spots that will have the cone pickers doing a bit more work than anyone else? ;)

[phile]

There shouldn't be too much danger of getting lost. However, there DEFINITELY will be plenty of opportunities to take the wrong line & chew up valuable seconds. :evil:

Now THAT's my idea of a good course. Easy to do. Difficult to do well.

[washburn]

A good course, IMO, is what I call a feel good course. Everyone can drive it easily, and even when you don't drive it well, you still feel good. Some drivers will never understand why the times aren't better because the course feels good. The secrets are a little better hidden on these courses, a little more subtle.

[914 Dave]

Steve G: I'll alert the instructor troops! I'm expecting to leave town around noon friday, which should put me at VF 3 ish to help w/set up.

Pat W: Wasn't looking for alot of unfair "pre-runs", but just was recalling that a ride along for the test runs at St Cloud made for a better novice walk by me, having seen from the passengers seat some of the "tricks" of the track that day. Lots of course walks is good.

[MNbiker]

....Wasn't looking for alot of unfair "pre-runs", but just was recalling that a ride along for the test runs at St Cloud made for a better novice walk by me, having seen from the passengers seat some of the "tricks" of the track that day....

I think we can give you a lot of good information for the course walk by sitting down and reviewing the course map. In particular, there are some "key" cones that drivers should focus on in certain sections of the course.

-Steve

[ITSrotary]

I think we can give you a lot of good information for the course walk by sitting down and reviewing the course map. In particular, there are some "key" cones that drivers should focus on in certain sections of the course.

-Steve

Many of us agree this would be more appropriate. The amount of "pre-running" done at St. Cloud bordering on the ridicules. Outside of the people initially setting the course, I've never understood why we allow course checks to be run at competition level speeds in vehicles the individuals will be competing in.

Steve

[914 Dave]

Agreed. A long look at the course map, lots of walks, and helping set up, (providing more walks...) should give me all I need to start out the novice walk. I too look to ID those key cones asap. But, as we all know, the course can look one way, and drive another, and if there were to be any "test" runs of the course, I wanted in on that. If not, what we've done all season at the smaller lots, which is use your eyes, brain, and feet, should work here too.

Steve, is this some secret nationals technique for not hitting cones by simply vaulting your car over them?

[MNbiker]

Steve, is this some secret nationals technique for not hitting cones by simply vaulting your car over them?

Not so secret. I watched the DSP & BSP Bimmers lifting the inside front tire over the base of apex cones on a pretty regular basis at Nationals.

-Steve

[MNbiker]

Many of us agree this would be more appropriate. The amount of "pre-running" done at St. Cloud bordering on the ridicules. Outside of the people initially setting the course, I've never understood why we allow course checks to be run at competition level speeds in vehicles the individuals will be competing in.

Steve

Pat and I will be the only ones to see the course at speed in advance - and only to the extent required to verify flow & safety. We'll also try to avoid doing full course runs, as mentioned earlier by Pat. Note: the one exception to the no "pre-rides" rule will be if one of the Safety Stewards (John P. & Neal T. for Day 1, Steve M. for Day 2) has a concern that can't be fully addressed without seeing a particular problem area at speed.

-Steve

[Darryl]

Pat and I will be the only ones to see the course at speed in advance - and only to the extent required to verify flow & safety. We'll also try to avoid doing full course runs, as mentioned earlier by Pat. Note: the one exception to the no "pre-rides" rule will be if one of the Safety Stewards (John P. & Neal T. for Day 1, Steve M. for Day 2) has a concern that can't be fully addressed without seeing a particular problem area at speed.

-Steve
Why are pre-runs required or allowed at all?

Safety concers should be obvious. As far as the flow goes, it is what it is. Flow or lack of flow in parts of the course is part of the challenge for all of us. The only issue I see is finding a hole in the surface that could cause damage or is a safety concern.

People taking several runs to verify safety is BS and is being abused at MAC events the last year or so.

[magicsammy]

Darryl,


if you would like to be chief of safety on Sunday, please be my guest.

[MNbiker]

Why are pre-runs required or allowed at all?

Safety concers should be obvious. As far as the flow goes, it is what it is. Flow or lack of flow in parts of the course is part of the challenge for all of us. The only issue I see is finding a hole in the surface that could cause damage or is a safety concern.

People taking several runs to verify safety is BS and is being abused at MAC events the last year or so.

Because we want to provide the safest, best possible course?:?

I guarantee that course designers for Divisional & National-level events test them, to ensure the translation from paper to site accurately reflects the vision. I know Andy & Kevin came to Topeka in advance to fine-tune the Nationals courses. Things like surface conditions, elevation changes, and background distractions aren't easy to account for on paper. In addition, it's very difficult to accurately place a course on a large lot like Valleyfair. A single cone a couple feet out of place can change a course element from flowing to nearly impossible.

Whie I agree the "test drive" excuse has likely been abused in some cases, you should also consider the following limitations MAC course designers are faced with that IMHO justify (in some cases demand) testing, prior to competitive runs.

-Limited access to sites
-Limited documentation for sites
-Last second (or even mid-event) changes dictated by site manager or safety issues.
-Course designers who may be unfamiliar with a particular site.
-Certain sites (especially Central Parking & St. Cloud) where ANY course will be a bit riskier than we would ideally like to see.

Ultimately, I'd far prefer to end up with a safe course that minimizes DNF's and flows well - even if that means a person or two has seen it from a car seat.

-Steve

p.s. My own approach as a course designer is to try and avoid driving the entire course at speed. Instead, I tend to focus on specific elements where I 'm unsure about the layout.

[MNbiker]

If you could put me down for tech on sunday, that would be sweet.....Thanks!!! -Kelli Simpson-

Kelli,

I just remembered that we won't need as many tech inspectors on Sunday, as we're honoring Saturday techs. So, I put you down for registration - you OK with that?

-Steve

[Kellogg]

Works just fine with me!!

[StevenMosley]

Chris is coming out today to to help. We can both setup the grid. I'm already signed up for the Course, but we didn't get any buddy signed up for the grid.

[Chin]

Sorry guys, I am going to have to back out of course set-up... I have been feeling like crap all day and I hoped it would get better as the day went on, but no go. I don't think I can be walking around setting up for 3+hrs in my condition. I will have to pick up another job on Sun....

Sorry

Christian Banks
#202 DSP
'00 Impreza 2.5RS

[SmokingTires]

Ah! There's no one put down as Announcer!! We need someone to be the master of the Mic!

Pat? :D

[MNbiker]

Ah! There's no one put down as Announcer!! We need someone to be the master of the Mic!


That job is on the worker signup sheets that will be at the registration table tomorrow.....